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By The Reverend AK-47
This is an honor, to write something about The Reverend Steven Leyba, you know, the guy has an exquisite portfolio and has lived a good tale to brag about. In these times, to fight against hypocrisy and a social and political system full of lies (and I mean it worldwide) you need a lot of talents, and The Rev, also has them.
Balls, experience, knowledge, braveness and wisdom are virtues that give form to his art in general (he is not only a painter, he is also a musician and spoken word recording artist), giving us, the chance to enjoy it at the maximum level.
He and his work have helped the world to know the struggle of the Native Americans, the work of real subversive movements and to expand the real meaning of a lot of symbols and expose how they are manipulated by.
As you will discover his work will suck you on and give you a good hell of a time, with the textures, meanings and elements that are only found in Stevens’s canvas. Your brain will never be the same.
So don’t stop now, go read the interview we had with The Reverend Steven Leyba, check his amazing paintings, learn more about him and never forget that there is always out there bigger and more beautiful, the journey has just really begin! Just Lend Steven the Car Keys!
I would like to thank a lot Mr. Leslie Barany for making this interview possible! |
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1.- These days The United States are supposely in a regeneration and trying to construct a new future, you see some light or this is just politician and social bullshit?
It is a diversion to take the focus off of the fact there is an economic war going on in this country and the world. The world bankers and multi-national corporations are stealing the store and robbing the piggy bank and since it isn’t on the evening news there is a great denial. Any talk in this country about “change” is pure propaganda. Not to say that there will not be a positive side of this. I feel there will be but there will have to be a very real revolution in this country just as Thomas Jefferson spoke of. The actual “change” that has happened is not based on race issues or messiah hero worship over our new president Obama but the fact that he has made permanent every unconstitutional bill Bush ever created. The Patriot Act was made a law. Any lawyer will tell you that this “Act” ends the United States Constitution. So when I hear Obama talk about this great country and the constitution I laugh and ask, well then why are there so many world bankers in your cabinet president Obama?
2.- When you were made a Reverend by Mr. Anton Szandor Lavey of the Church of Satan, do you feel that you had something new to express and tell to end the hipocrisy we live in?
LeVay made me a legally ordained Satanic priest in 1994 as a Native American LaVey loved the fact I could openly criticize Christianity in the politically correct era of the 1990’s because I was Native American. The western world is still in a great denial about the role Christianity played in the subjugation and genocide of Native Americans as well as indigenous peoples all over the world. LaVey’s Satanism was a socio-political attack on Christianity. I felt morally obligated to speak out against something that is supposed to be good but has caused so much destruction and murder. I knew that merely speaking about it wasn’t enough so I put how I felt into my art; into my performances and into my paintings. I had to create art that would put up the mirror to a corrupt and disingenuous belief system. To assume someone is “good” or “moral” or “just” merely because they’re say they are Christian is insane and pathological. One must live by example and ones life and work should be the way one shows the world what TRUTH they see.
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3.- As an artist you are a master of subersive messages and transgressive images, is there a mellow side of your work that people sometimes are blind to see?
Yes I am very prolific and do thousands of paintings every year as well as write and perform. I am interested in the TOTALITY of the human experience and you can see it in my very massive body of work. The fact that many people only see what they consider “subversive” or “transgressive” shows their failure to embrace the entire human experience. To dismiss anyone because of subject matter of a work of art that makes you feel something- even if it is something you do not want to feel shows the level of denial modern humans live with. I feel I need to have a complete human experience and I feel it is the job of the artist to add to the great history of art and be TRUE to their vision. TRUE ART can only be created by those willing to deal with things that need to be felt and understood so we can learn and grow as a species. It does nobody any good to make the same old bullshit FALSE art that only confirms, the money system, the status quo and the official story of the week.
4. Tell us more in your involvement in music?
Sense 1995 I have worked with musicians. I have done spoken word with a band I started called United Satanic Apache Front .We have two cd’s out “Addressing the Corporate Masters” and “Fuck Your Freedom” The music is experimental/ industrial/ electronica. We are no longer a band but I have worked with many other musicians. I do not play an instrument myself but have been able to create music with artists that are very visual and understand art and painting by conveying verbally what I hear in my head. Recently I did a collaboration with David J of Bauhaus for my documentary “What is Art? Inside the Mind of the Artist as They Speak the Truth” for the title track. I believe writing and music and film are similar and what I have been able to accomplish in painting can be applied to music and film. I just finished the movie and will be submitting it to film festivals all over the world. Next year I hope to release a soundtrack of the movie as well as do some solo experiments in music from natural sounds I am recording on my travels.
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5. Besides the well known AIM (American Indian Movement) which other political-social movement has influenced you?
The Black Panther party, Abby Hoffman and the Yippies have influenced me. Some of the ideas that the Surrealists had were very socio-political just read the Surrealist Manifesto and much of what Andre Breton wrote but that was all lost when the US advertisers got a hold of Surrealism and look what the internet and the media do to any new progressive groups now- it’s all made into a joke. Post Modernism has not only destroyed revolutionary thought in art it has infiltrated politics and created markets for sanctioned rebellion and so called “radical ideas” but no one wants to push forward on a personal level. The FBI and CIA learned a lot about cutting to the chase when they infiltrated A.I.M and the Black Panther Party and now they destroy socio-political groups the second they take action by promoting them and setting up structures that mimic the ones they seek to dismantle. I was lucky enough to be friend William S. Burroughs and spend time with him and he taught me a lot. His socio-political ideas in his works were about sabotaging systems of control and that meant personal internalized systems of control as well as man made systems especially in Naked Lunch. These ideas are very important at this moment of time. The other Beatniks that did not have the vision and depth he had only the celebrity fame. Ginsberg only wrote maybe 3 poems that were any good bring lumping Burroughs in with all the Beatniks tends to trivialize the genius of his vision by relegating it to some categorized movement of the past. I have had this experience with the Satanic movement so I am pushing forward out of that box. I like some of what the Anarchist movement is doing and I like much of the work of Chomsky and Hakim Bey’s idea of the Temporary Autonomous Zone; you cannot destroy free radicals that gather in groups at key points in time as a cabal then disperse into the world and make things manifest because there is no power structure or leaders of authority. If the power is personal the powers that be cannot destroy the power structure. Hierarchies and groups lead by cult of personality figureheads are a tired 20th Century concept even puppet governments and political groups the US government creates or props up fail in the 21st Century. The personal cannot be controlled. I appreciate co-ops and collectives and Unions but I feel the personal is the political. Groups tend to define themselves against the dominant social structure and to me that is a form of blasphemy. It means you are still a believer in the system because you are reacting against it. I feel that the powers that be have figured this out and use it to de-politicize actual radical ideas and groups. Today they are now using the whole “Green Speak” to define and control the environmentalist movement and guilt us into submission with our fear of environmental collapse. Why are we letting Green Peace and the United States government define environmentalism for us all? Since when did the U.S. government care about the environment? To a Native American this is insane! No one can tell you about the environment YOU ARE THE ENVIRONMENT. To be personal –human and to have a spirituality you made manifest and to create a life from that and to live as an example is far more powerful and long lasting than socio-political movements. People tend to be consumed by groups on all levels and personal authenticity is lost. Authenticity cannot be crushed or assimilated or copied or trivialized just as almost everything has been made harmless by media, the internet, governments and the multi-nationalism. You cannot sell someone their own spirituality, their own creation and their own lives. I don’t believe in burying my head in the sand and thinking everything will be all right if I make art. I believe in speaking up and supporting those who do push forward politically but we are human and we must create if we don’t create we do not grow and that is why I feel society is making the same mistakes. America and most of the world is still obsessed with the so-called “individual” but hardly anyone knows who they are nor takes the time to find out. It’s not enough to form groups to dismantle systems of control we must create new possibilities with what we visualize, create and manifest.
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6.- Your work is well known for being symbolic: The Swastika, The Baphomet, Sexual Organs, Do you think that your art helps people to known the real meaning of these symbols?
Yes often but not always intellectually. Instinctively people can see when symbols even controversial symbols are meaningful beyond the prescribed social norms. Humans created them and they are human to deny this is un-human. To get stuck in intellectualizing these symbols with semantics and how they were used in the past denies the life, power and purpose they have or could have now. Why feed the negative associations of the past misuse of a symbol? It only fetishizes the negative. Sexual organs are a part of the human body and the human experience. Like I said before I am interested in having the full human experience in its totality. Some will see there is potential to grow as a species and some will simply protest and call life an obscenity. You tell me which is the healthier path.
7.- Working with blood, and other human secretions is always interesting, tell us please, the real process of doing it? (I mean the natural process the secretion goes to, from being out of the body until it´s on the canvas)
For years I have used blood. I use an 18-gauge hollow piercing needle and poke the head of my penis to get the blood. Later I found out that the Mayans did this in ritual magic. I like the ritual application and the sacrifice of personal blood to the painting as well as the way blood randomly flattens photographic images. I do the collage, paint on it with acrylic and bleed on it. When the blood is dried I seal it with varnish and clear acrylic and do bead work on the painting then finish it with oil paint. I am combining European old master techniques with ancient American and African ritual object practices.
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8.- In your opinion, have you ever feel that maybe your biographie has gained more attention than your art?
Yes, it has been a great challenge and that is why I wrote my memoir “The Last American Painter” (you can purchase a copy at http://www.lulu.com/content/4541971) a memoir exploring my underground fame as well as being critical of the culture trap of celebrity. In my documentary “What is ART?” I asked the question “What is more important the artist or the art? It was surprising what people said. People feel fame is a necessity to survive as an artist but feel it is also a trap. I am very interested in exploring my fame as well as exposing the fame game but going beyond it. The trick is to not let that fame destroy who you really are and not get stuck in repeating what you have done just for a market created because you became famous. I believe one can use fame to go deeper into a culture that refuses most paths to enlightenment. I don’t believe my own press but I do use it to put up the mirror to society which often times seems more insane than any artist could ever be.
9. Are you familiar with the struggle of Native Mexicans?
I did a book cover for South End Press about the Chiapas. I think their struggle is genuine and important and similar to what the North American Natives did. I wish more people could see that the struggle indigenous peoples have today is the struggle against the globalism that is corporate fascism. To ignore their struggle and all suppressed cultures is to embrace world corporate fascism. These people are fighting for personal freedom and the globalists are fighting for resources and control.
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10. If the Reverend Steven Leyba wasn’t an artist he would he be ….?
My mom said I would have been a sniper. I have successful criminals in my family. I would be some sort of criminal using crime to sabotage control or I would start a secret army. In the end I think art was the best choice because to create is always the best solution. Destroying leaves you with a quick fix and nothing at all. I like the idea of creating a new way forward by creating new ways of seeing the old ways subside.
Coyote Rising!
www.stevenleyba.com
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Click here to see the gallery
All paintings of this gallery are property
of the Reverend Steven Leyba and it includes:
- Paintings from his 10th book "Alchemical Transsexual"
- Paintings from "Sex Goblins"
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